<<< quite a smug one after beating france at football >>>
What a goal.
I was at the Lithuania game - brilliant atmosphere.
A group from the cong going to the italy game.
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by The Scotsman inhello, yes the scotsman has returned, but i have been naughty .
i have been doing some of my own research on the internet etc regarding jws and some doctrinal issues.. i have had some doubts for a while but am beginning to think that some of our current teachings are simply unsustainable.. example - the 1914 timeframe.. the reason that this is so pivotal is that it is a foundation stone of the organization.
evidence is easily available to prove that this date is unsafe.. many on here speculate about revolution in the organization etc, if 1914 was moved it would have a catastrophic effect on the ordinary publisher and would lead to big change across the congregations.
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by The Scotsman inhello, yes the scotsman has returned, but i have been naughty .
i have been doing some of my own research on the internet etc regarding jws and some doctrinal issues.. i have had some doubts for a while but am beginning to think that some of our current teachings are simply unsustainable.. example - the 1914 timeframe.. the reason that this is so pivotal is that it is a foundation stone of the organization.
evidence is easily available to prove that this date is unsafe.. many on here speculate about revolution in the organization etc, if 1914 was moved it would have a catastrophic effect on the ordinary publisher and would lead to big change across the congregations.
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<<< Have you had any thoughts about the organisation itself (ie the control issues, profits etc) ? >>>
Certainly recently I have started to think there is something not right with the leadership of WTBTS.
I think someone posted here a week or so back saying that its as if the GB are infallible now.
Certainly that is suggested in the Sept KM Question box.
As well as the 1914 change (if it happened it would have a major impact), another development that would have some sort of influence on the publishers would be a drop in active publishers.
Rates of increase in recent years have been pretty minimal.
A personal gripe - pointing the finger at other groups saying "they are like this and that", criticizing, when we are guilty of exactly the same thing!!!
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by The Scotsman inhello, yes the scotsman has returned, but i have been naughty .
i have been doing some of my own research on the internet etc regarding jws and some doctrinal issues.. i have had some doubts for a while but am beginning to think that some of our current teachings are simply unsustainable.. example - the 1914 timeframe.. the reason that this is so pivotal is that it is a foundation stone of the organization.
evidence is easily available to prove that this date is unsafe.. many on here speculate about revolution in the organization etc, if 1914 was moved it would have a catastrophic effect on the ordinary publisher and would lead to big change across the congregations.
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Hello, yes the Scotsman has returned, but I have been naughty - - - I have been THINKING!
I have been doing some of my own research on the Internet etc regarding JWs and some doctrinal issues.
I have had some doubts for a while but am beginning to think that some of our current teachings are simply unsustainable.Example - The 1914 timeframe.
The reason that this is so pivotal is that it is a foundation stone of the organization. Evidence is easily available to prove that this date is unsafe.Many on here speculate about revolution in the organization etc, if 1914 was moved it would have a catastrophic effect on the ordinary publisher and would lead to big change across the congregations. Many would be so discouraged that they would give up or certainly seriously slow down, others would walk out the door.
And of course some would be quite willing to accept the change, putting it down to a new flash of light.If it were moved to a later date it would certainly postpone Armageddon in the minds of most JWs. Pioneering would be less attractive, higher education and full time employment would be a better idea.
Personally - I think a change to 1914 is inevitable, perhaps sooner than we think. It would be the biggest turning point ever in the organizations history.
What does this all mean for me?
I just aint sure!!It is not pleasant to sit at a meeting and thinking to yourself, "I do not believe what he/she just said".
I have a head full of doubts....
I was brought up in the truth – aged 30 something!
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by FreedomFrog inthe scotsman said:.
<< tee hee - dubs will believe anything, lol.>>.
that's good because you shouldn't believe everything you hear in this world.
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<<<< I am now a full blown Trinitarian. >>>>
Oh dear!
The trinity???? - Now thats for another thread.
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by FreedomFrog inthe scotsman said:.
<< tee hee - dubs will believe anything, lol.>>.
that's good because you shouldn't believe everything you hear in this world.
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<<<<<< Were Adam and Eve married ? >>>>>>
Yes, by Jehovah.
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by FreedomFrog inthe scotsman said:.
<< tee hee - dubs will believe anything, lol.>>.
that's good because you shouldn't believe everything you hear in this world.
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Outlaw said = <<<< I have to laugh at your comment about Jehovah`s Witness Morals..They are some of the most immoral people I have ever met>>>>
Laughable, pathetic, ridculous. Come on Outlaw - Keep it plausable!!!
<<<< Gossip is a way of life in a Kingdom Hall >>>>
Correction - gossip is a way of life IN LIFE. So because some gossiped thats it - the entire organisation 6.7 million are just rejected.
I am not saying gossip is a good thing, far from it, but once again, Outlaw - Come on - what are you, a baby?
I am trying to inject a bit of serious discussion here - your not helping.
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by FreedomFrog inthe scotsman said:.
<< tee hee - dubs will believe anything, lol.>>.
that's good because you shouldn't believe everything you hear in this world.
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jgnat
Divorce are going down - quite right.
But so are marriages - the % ratio of divorce to marriage (in britain at least) is worse than ever.
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by FreedomFrog inthe scotsman said:.
<< tee hee - dubs will believe anything, lol.>>.
that's good because you shouldn't believe everything you hear in this world.
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To Mrs Smith
I do not count my time here.
Why do I post here? Hmm, not sure. I think to defend the truth, though it does appear to be a waste of time to try this with those who have already "in my opinion" opted to give up.
Mrs Smith - Why do you post here? Nothing better to do????
I know that The Faithful Slave are certainly not keen for brothers and sisters to come to such forums due to the negative effect it could have on their faith.
It is a strange situation but when I come here i feel my faith strengthened, you and your friends lack continuity in argument and credability. I see no great "freedom" attained by abandoning the truth.
And regarding another poster who said he found it "funny" when I said Jehovahs Witnesses have a high moral standing - It is this type of statement that makes this entire forum lose any plausable argument. You can disagree with what we teach / believe but please have the sense and courtesy to acknowledge the good aspects of us. The majority of religions have abandoned Gods view on morals - has this made the world a better place? Teen pregnancy, Divorce rates up, gay unions / marriages and abortions - these are the reality of such a dismissive view of Jehovahs high standards.
Giving s very general viewpoint -
The conditions in this world we live in are declining continually - now surely everyone on this forum accepts this????
We are clearly heading for a crunch point in the near future. If not terrorists it will be climate change, something major and significant is on the horizon that will trigger a cataclysm of events. Some people who have no association with Jehovahs Witnesses feel this way as well.
For me - this means I stay on this side of the fence
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by FreedomFrog inthe scotsman said:.
<< tee hee - dubs will believe anything, lol.>>.
that's good because you shouldn't believe everything you hear in this world.
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Hello
Sorry for the delay - I have read all of the posts and will respond on a new thread in a day or so.
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by FreedomFrog inthe scotsman said:.
<< tee hee - dubs will believe anything, lol.>>.
that's good because you shouldn't believe everything you hear in this world.
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Wow Wow Wow!!!!! Slow down guys and dolls!
There is enough info here for about 30 different threads!!!!
There is a lot of repition of points in the posts!!! Many are clearly prepared for such a question!!!
I have said this before on this forum - the vast majority of your qoutes are from 60, 70 years ago and even older than that on a few cases. Those who question the organisation tend to fall into 2 categories - had a bad experience or get hung up on 80 year old articles.
Also a few of the articles qouted are not changes of any significance. (The Watchtower re: Generation will not pass away.)
The core point is the same, it is the understanding of the word generation which has changed. For JWs this was not anything of significance.
Despite all of this - where else can we go to have a verse by verse explanation of Revelation - Daniel, Ezekiel etc. Who else could truly claim to be preaching worldwide? What about the high moral standard displayed by Jehovahs people. No involvement in war or politics.
These and other points identify Jehovahs Witnesses as as his true followers.
I shall return later to read our comments - I am at work after all - I better do something.